This is what we think: It’s not enough to simply show people that the message of Jesus is true. We need to also help them experience him as both someone beautifully attractive and also tangibly present in the lives of people they know.
In the latest episode of the invisible castle podcast, Luke and Kristi chat about their own journeys to faith, and the role these three elements—truth, beauty, and embodiment—can play in our communication about Jesus, so we can better lean into the ways people actually come to faith.
We hope it will be a fascinating conversation for you to join! It’s available for free on all the usual platforms, including Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, Castbox, Pocket Casts, and most other places you listen. Just click on the links in the previous sentence to listen.
The video version (below) is also available exclusively to all free subscribers (if you’re reading this email, then that includes you; just click on the video below).
We’d love to hear your thoughts and reflections once you’ve had a listen or watch!
And, if you’re enjoying the podcast, you might want to consider grabbing a copy of Luke’s new book, Somethingism: Exploring Our Sense of More, which is out now from the Good Book Company, and available most places books are sold.
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